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    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 at 3:19pm
I'm not usually a fan of electric cars, but I've gotta say, from what I've heard so far I'm impressed with the i3. It seems to be a huge step in the right direction when it comes to electric cars, not to mention some of the reviews have been great: http://www.stratstone.com/blog/news_and_events/stratstone_blog/2013-bmwi3-the-best-electric-car.html

The main offput though for me is the price tag (I believe it's still around £25k-£30k?). Would anyone go as far as saying the i3 warrants that price tag?

(Edit: Just seen that it's been nominated for car of the year as well, surely a good sign right?: http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Telsa-S-BMW-i3-electric-cars-shortlisted-2014-Car/story-20394966-detail/story.html)
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sorry bit new really to give proper comment but I am guessing the dealer can give you a decent pro and con conversation and it depends on your use needs and future plans to work out if right for you and maybe a long term costing to crunch the financial side - sorry cant be more help
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No I wouldn't recommend an i3, BMW should stick to making gas guzzling proper cars, not this Namby Pamby rubbish !
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Lol hard to disagree with the sentiment of your reply but BMW are having to move with the times and demands of the world and customers like any company that needs to survive

I wonder what BL or Triumph or Rover would do differently with hindsight

The i3 is what many will term progress BMW still do Mpower and V8 cars for now but some inc my road car are endangered species with the cost of fuel and taxes alone

Guess it's moving with the times like it or not
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Strongly disagree, BMW should stand out as a marque who still produce quality and powerful vehicles. They are pandering to the tax benefits of producing eco crap. People will still buy the brand to have a stand out machine. 

I know it'll never ever happen but BMW should leave the manufacture of these silly little go carts to the lesser brands and let them aim their marketing at tweed jacket wearing bearded geographgy teachers. 
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Found this and it might interest the OP.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/12/14/video-bmw-i3-track/



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That would probably mean us all paying a lot more for our cars then...or at least those buying new cars.

I believe that all European car manufacturers are taxed on the average emissions of CO2 which is why companies like Aston Martin made the ridiculous Signet, it was all a ploy to reduce the overall CO2 emissions for AM....

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BMW will always produce powerful cars and build race going versions but need to spread the brand as wide as possible to reach as many markets as possible ...love it or hate it the electric cars are coming and some cars with big engines are destined for museums or scrap....to make it simple when you go to a classic car show its scary when you see all the Rover V8s Jag V12s Bentleys and American muscle cars.....not moving with the times is what killed the British motor industry and when the likes of BMW moved in....in the 70s and 80s to have an E21 or E30 or M6 or M5 was something to envy ....when the Allegro, Escort and Sierra was outselling BMW by far....now the everyday car is a BMW and the big 6 and 7 series is still exclusive or for many a 1M or the new 2 series is the car it have......just think what the future may hold ...and I am not looking forward to it either .....Electric F1 cars and maybe a selection of exhaust notes can be selected on your steering wheel ....just a thought
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Originally posted by dteagles dteagles wrote:

That would probably mean us all paying a lot more for our cars then...or at least those buying new cars.

I believe that all European car manufacturers are taxed on the average emissions of CO2 which is why companies like Aston Martin made the ridiculous Signet, it was all a ploy to reduce the overall CO2 emissions for AM....
Agreed and agreed, 


Originally posted by Cabrio Cabrio wrote:

not moving with the times is what killed the British motor industry and when the likes of BMW moved in
What killed the British car industry was the crap quality of the cars we built and when the cheap and reliable Japanese cars started being imported, they began to way outsell thingls like the Allegro. At the time, owning a BMW was something to aspire to, even a 316.

Originally posted by Cabrio Cabrio wrote:

Electric F1 cars and maybe a selection of exhaust notes can be selected on your steering wheel ....just a thought
Oh, I know its coming (and there's nothing I can do about it) but I prefer my exhaust note from Messers Hayward & Scott than Harman Kardon.
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First post...

I've driven an i3 and would recommend one wholeheartedly. If I could get three child seats in a row in the back I'd replace the family bus in a shot.

The list prices are high but the lease packages are not out of all reason when you take into account the negligible running costs. It's also cutting edge, a real head turner and you would not believe how quick they are.
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Remember a time when all BMW's were petrol engine only. Wonder what the outcry if any when diesels came on the scene.
 
Original question re price, compared with other electric cars for a Premium brand seems very well priced for example Nissan Leaf 21k-25k (Batteries included)
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I too have driven an I3. I was very impressed with acceleration and even more so with the regenerate braking. This was so good that I only needed to touch the foundation brakes twice during the whole road test.

I have asked for an extended road test now to see how it would fit with my lifestyle.

I agree though, that the price is quite high - £28k for full electric or £33k with range extender. There is a £5k refund from the government but this still makes them dear for the basic vehicle. Like every BMW the basic model is just that.

Still a step in the right direction and with a little more range it will become a viable option.

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Have you checked your electric bill lately ? Cry One reason to leave well alone.LOL
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Originally posted by davebrindlee36m3 davebrindlee36m3 wrote:

Have you checked your electric bill lately ? Cry One reason to leave well alone.LOL
 
A few thoughts:
- By all means buy one, but be aware (as is the case with any cutting edge technology) that you will be paying a premium to test it.  Dont expect long term reliability - how do all your other battery powered products fare when they are 4 years old ?.  So those who feel so strongly about the environment (and that electrivity is the answer) might be willing to pay this premium.  I strongly suspect the cheapest motoring is obtained via the 70+mpg diesels, once purchase and depreciation are factored in.
- It must be debatable whether electricity will be answer in our lifetimes.  Last time I checked electrivity is in much shorter supply than oil (because we dont build power stations) and, as Dave says above, is becoming ever more expensive.
- Worldwide, fracking is a game changer.  the US will be self sufficient in energy by 2020, which is pretty incredible.  I predict car manufacturers will be looking to make a car run on fracked gas (or maybe that is already the case with LPG, I'm not sure). 
- The environmental benefits are not as clear cut as some suggest.  the electricity still has to be generated and only a fraction of this is "green".  So the emmissions are moved away from the roads and back to the power stations.  Better for cities and motorways, but less clear cut for the UK / World overall.
- And then there are the practical issues around range and recharging time.  I think these cars could be used for a daily commute, but probably not long journeys.  And I'd still be suprised if a blue energy VW Polo (or whatever they are called) wouldnt be much cheaper when all costs of ownership are factored in.
 
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The Daily Telegraph drove one from London to Brighton, and found that even a fully-charged battery could not make Brighton!  There are no public charging poiints in Brighton, but luckily they had the optional (and expensive) 'Charge Extender' battery-charging generator.

Battery cars are even now an expensive and impractical way to reach their destination - and when the total environmental impact is taken into account, a not very environmental option, either - particularly when compared to keeping a good car for a long time.

BMW would make garbage cans, if they could make enough profit from doing so - the days of engineering integrity are over - marketing is now all they care about, and how the customers swallow it!
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Originally posted by davebrindlee36m3 davebrindlee36m3 wrote:

Have you checked your electric bill lately ? Cry LOL
And how do we get electricity? Mainly Coal and Oil, some Nuclear, a bit of hydroelectric, and a tiny, tiny bit from wind farms.  

So environmentally friendly to run they ain't [and don't start me on their build cycle, or the recycle of parts at end of life!!!! Angry]


So, miss out the middle man - buy petrol, or if you must [but don't] a DIEsel Shocked

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Another thought.
 
Our beloved government is incredibly unlikely to be able to wean itself off fuel duty.  So as electric cars become more useable and therefore popular it is inevitable the tax advantages will drop.  So by definition, they will only be very cheap when they are unpopular and impractical.  Enjoy it while you can.
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I see in today's Telegraph that a government advisor has stated that people should repair rather than replace their cars, and keep them for a long time - I expect he will soon be sidelined!  After almost 15 years  and 126000 miles my 1998 Z3 is working well, and our 2000 Golf TDI clocked up 192,000 yesterday on the return trip from Barcelona.

Keeping our old but good cars makes far more sense that being swept along on the fashion for electric cars, which really have nothing to reccommend themselves.

Can you imagine the problems that electric car owners will experience as they grow older?  Most BMW dealers are unable to cure simple and common problems - such as airbag lights operating - without an  'It will cost you £400 plus, but we can't guarantee to effect a cure'  type of cop-out.  Do they know anything at all about the cars they are supposed to be experts for?  Probably not, as all they do is change oil and filters on cars which are still under warranty.

They are just as bad when faced with mechanical problems.  Daughter's E46 325 Coupe would not run properly after going through deep water, and after having the car for three days her dealer wanted £400, with another £1200  to investigate, never mind find a cure.  An indie took half a day to diagnose a bent con rod caused through water ingress through a torn intake rubber - which had been replaced by the dealer without wondering about the water found by the indie inside the throttle body . . .

If a main BMW dealer cannot logically diagnose basic stuff like that, how are they going to tackle electronic problems?  It will probably be handled by total changes of electronic boxes at massive prices, and maybe - just maybe - curing the problem.

Unless BMW really change their dealers' level of electronic expertise the owners of any electric car will have no hope of keeping them going, even after spending massive amounts of money, so no-one in their right mind could possibly reccommend buying one.


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Mr Campbell - Have you ever driven one? If you had you would have been most probably impressed. I hope this Independence thing is not getting the better of your judgements.

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Originally posted by Cambell Cambell wrote:

Strongly disagree, BMW should stand out as a marque who still produce quality and powerful vehicles. They are pandering to the tax benefits of producing eco crap. People will still buy the brand to have a stand out machine. 

I know it'll never ever happen but BMW should leave the manufacture of these silly little go carts to the lesser brands and let them aim their marketing at tweed jacket wearing bearded geographgy teachers. 


They already do soConfused

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 MF "...people should repair rather than replace their cars, and keep them for a long time"
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" ..... not very environmental option, either - particularly when compared to keeping a good car for a long time".
I wholeheartedly agree MikeF. and why 'we' all like running our older cars, being (without shouting about it) very environmentally friendly, it is sustainable (keeps parts suppliers and the original 'spanner' guys in work / pay, preserves the marques heritage and allows 'us' to enjoy the driving of cars without the electronic help / interference.
 
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Originally posted by Mike Fishwick Mike Fishwick wrote:

I see in today's Telegraph that a government advisor has stated that people should repair rather than replace their cars, and keep them for a long time - I expect he will soon be sidelined!  After almost 15 years  and 126000 miles my 1998 Z3 is working well, and our 2000 Golf TDI clocked up 192,000 yesterday on the return trip from Barcelona.

Keeping our old but good cars makes far more sense that being swept along on the fashion for electric cars, which really have nothing to reccommend themselves.

Can you imagine the problems that electric car owners will experience as they grow older?  Most BMW dealers are unable to cure simple and common problems - such as airbag lights operating - without an  'It will cost you £400 plus, but we can't guarantee to effect a cure'  type of cop-out.  Do they know anything at all about the cars they are supposed to be experts for?  Probably not, as all they do is change oil and filters on cars which are still under warranty.

They are just as bad when faced with mechanical problems.  Daughter's E46 325 Coupe would not run properly after going through deep water, and after having the car for three days her dealer wanted £400, with another £1200  to investigate, never mind find a cure.  An indie took half a day to diagnose a bent con rod caused through water ingress through a torn intake rubber - which had been replaced by the dealer without wondering about the water found by the indie inside the throttle body . . .

If a main BMW dealer cannot logically diagnose basic stuff like that, how are they going to tackle electronic problems?  It will probably be handled by total changes of electronic boxes at massive prices, and maybe - just maybe - curing the problem.

Unless BMW really change their dealers' level of electronic expertise the owners of any electric car will have no hope of keeping them going, even after spending massive amounts of money, so no-one in their right mind could possibly reccommend buying one.

MF - I think you are a bit harsh or just plain unlucky with Service from BMW Main Dealers. I never had a problem with BMW Wollaston and/or BMW MK!  I am pretty sure I am not alone on this. I do not disagree with your summary on the I3 but nevertheless it has enjoyed some pretty good reviews and is clearly rather special and enjoyable to drive. It clearly has its limitations both in cost and maintenance but so did some petrol Marques; these problems were overcome. 

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Originally posted by issus issus wrote:

Mr Campbell - Have you ever driven one? If you had you would have been most probably impressed. I hope this Independence thing is not getting the better of your judgements.
I dont know what you mean by that ?

I haven't and don't want to drive one. As I alluded to above, I like my BMWs with 10 Cylinders and over 500 BHP not a wimpy little 500w motor ! 

I don't buy into this Eco Enviro nonsense, remember that nice summer last year ? That was probably my fault with the emissions from my M5.................Global Warming.........Great Idea, bring it on !!

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Originally posted by Cambell Cambell wrote:

Originally posted by issus issus wrote:

Mr Campbell - Have you ever driven one? If you had you would have been most probably impressed. I hope this Independence thing is not getting the better of your judgements.
I dont know what you mean by that ?

I haven't and don't want to drive one. As I alluded to above, I like my BMWs with 10 Cylinders and over 500 BHP not a wimpy little 500w motor ! 

I don't buy into this Eco Enviro nonsense, remember that nice summer last year ? That was probably my fault with the emissions from my M5.................Global Warming.........Great Idea, bring it on !!

PS, There's no "p" in Cambell 

Cambell - I have no idea either what he means, and it pains me to admit that I agree with you Shocked.

500bhp? Bring it on. Global Warming? A myth Smile.

It's a "Climate Change" i.e. WEATHER - which has been [and will do so] going on for centuries.  


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Originally posted by Cabrio Cabrio wrote:



I wonder what BL or Triumph or Rover would do differently with hindsight




Build an electric car with oil leaks?




The i3 is a marvellous thing. It doesn't have the 'holier than thou' image of the Toyota Pious and isn't the half-arsed compromise that hybrids are.
I went to the i3 launch and I approve fully - I'd have one as a city car, not because I'm taken in by electric cars (I don't believe they are the answer) but because of the amazing design and technology. It stands apart from the rest as something completely different. Anyone who dismisses it because it doesn't have 500 bhp is missing the point entirely alas.
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- I'd have one as a city car, not because I'm taken in by electric cars (I don't believe they are the answer) but because of the amazing design and technology. It stands apart from the rest as something completely different. Anyone who dismisses it because it doesn't have 500 bhp is missing the point entirely alas.


Hard to argue with that....fit for purpose really...you can still have a 4x4 and a super car in your garage
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Originally posted by AndrewE AndrewE wrote:



- I'd have one as a city car, not because I'm taken in by electric cars (I don't believe they are the answer) but because of the amazing design and technology. It stands apart from the rest as something completely different. Anyone who dismisses it because it doesn't have 500 bhp is missing the point entirely alas.
There is no point to this car, its merely a marketing exercise so BMW can say "We build an eco car" and claim the tax benefits.

Originally posted by Cabrio Cabrio wrote:


Hard to argue with that....fit for purpose really...you can still have a 4x4 and a super car in your garage
So, pointless then ? why would anybody want to drive a thing like that when they have a super car in the garage ?

Anyway, back on topic, would I recommend this car ?........No ! I do however, respect anyones right to recommend it should they see fit.  
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