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steveH
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Posted: 31 Mar 2009 at 10:37pm |
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Ken, there is no dispute here, your car is stunning and a credit to your care over these last 18 years or so and you certainly deserve all the wins you have had over this time. Well done and long may your success continue. Then again bring along both your cars ala GordonH and try for a 1,2!!
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KennethC
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Posted: 01 Apr 2009 at 8:51pm |
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I would Steve but it is not a BMW but it is German! I donot think this marque would be very popular in the club with some members.
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hennabm
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Posted: 01 Apr 2009 at 9:08pm |
Age and mileage should be considered together as an older car with less miles is likely to be in better condition than one with higher mileage. This is the position of Ken's and mine and a few others as well. Because they were cars that had seen action, there are the tell tales of this even now.
If you are asking for suggestions, then we have no better than the one that has served the club for a good number of years and the one under which Ken and I have been subject to over our many years of concoursing.
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steveH
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Posted: 01 Apr 2009 at 11:58pm |
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 9:01pm |
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The way which i see this, is that it suits the garage Queen's which never get used. and never see a wet road, which is so easy to keep clean..then they come out to play for Concours.
Try doing 12k plus a year and keeping it to Concours standards, very hardwork.
Scrap the mileage points altogether, or bring M.O.T cert into play.
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hennabm
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 9:14pm |
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It was interesting to note that most Open class cars were under 10 years old. Some were alot newer than that which makes cleaning easy. Believe me I have an 18mth old car with 5k on the clock and it is easy to keep looking good.
The idea of the committee was to leave open class to the more regularly used vehicles and "promote" the so called garage queens to master class. Then the problems really begin because they are all in one class and without mileage or age points we have the travesty of a 6mth old car winning over older cars. This is where age and mileage MUST count otherwise it is an unlevel field (a bit like s*tworth)
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 9:30pm |
The Queens still enter open class, which leaves the daily driver on the back burner, either way needs to be said bring an independant judge or judge's on the day. as comments have been made and over heared which isnt fair, ie dont like this but like that, not keen on that but the Zm stands out.. plus when have date's on tyre's been part of a score sheet???????
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hennabm
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 11:02pm |
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That is why mileage allowance is used to try and compensate for the extra toll that is placed on road cars.
It always has been and will be a balance between the car used daily and those used less often.
There was at least one car that drove around 400 miles to get to the event and still won its class! So it can be done - it just takes time and money like most things associated with vehicles.
I have suffered at the hands of an independant judge in the past. He was adamant my car should have been fitted with a certain part but it never was or has. So the judge needs to know the breed at least, to be a fair judge.
Judges may well have personal opinions of what vehcles they prefer (just like anyone else) but any judge worth their salt will put that to one side and judge on condition ONLY.
It also gets more difficult to maintain their sheen and keep using them as vehicles get older.
Dates on tyres?? why not - have you seen RS owners, some even have the original tyre sticker on the tread of the tyre. Maybe it was adeciding factor. The only one that could explain the reasoning behind it is the judge themselves.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 4:38pm |
Yes i have seen the RS owners, as i myself have been a member, not only in that club but also many others inc Capri International and XROC.
So have seen a fair share of Concours over the past 15 years or so.
Never once have i seen a judge check a first aid kit, which is fitted from standard on many models, so if dates need to be checked on tyres, many other parts should also be checked, which arent, inc wheel chock.
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steveH
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 11:27pm |
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Judging is onerous enough, as Mike is well aware, so having to check tyres,first-aid kits, chocks, glass, etc etc for date stamps sounds a step too far.
Tyres sould be checked for roadworthyness, cleanliness, compatibility etc and whilst date is of interest (especially to AMac)I do not believe any tyres with different dates will be penalised BUT will check with the orracle.
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plip1953
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Posted: 08 Sep 2009 at 9:32pm |
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As a 635 CSi owner I have another type of gripe! And that is having my 6 judged against models other than 6s. Of course, in the "good ole days" we used to get half a dozen 6s turn up at the annual Harewood event - Derek Kaye, David Smith and Dennis Dodson generally shared the honours - and rightly so. But don't get me wrong, I'd far rather be judged against anything, than for there not to be a concours competition at all. In particular I applaud the judges for their devotion to the cause and, from my own experience, their fairness and impartiality. Thanks guys (and gals)!
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gerald
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Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 3:44pm |
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could anyone tell me are the points being changed back around now back to 1 point 10,000 in concourse?
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davebrindlee36m3
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Posted: 08 May 2011 at 10:48am |
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gerald your car is a garage queen without the garage. |
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gerald
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Posted: 08 May 2011 at 11:00am |
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i started a bit of a stir up there didnt i im not doin concourse any more anyway
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davebrindlee36m3
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Posted: 08 May 2011 at 11:11am |
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it went on and on and on. longer than cory.
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